Astral projection, self hypnosis, lucid dreaming.

[ShiftPlusOne]

Bookmarked for later, thanks.

The problem I have with all of these conspiracy theories is that finding the source of 90% of the information leads to a dead end or false information. It's usually linked to infowars which links to 50 of it's own articles but rarely gives any outside sources.

[Trebor]

Yeah that's true.

[leafsfan9917]

I hate Alex Jones so much...

[ShiftPlusOne]

I hate Alex Jones so much...

lol, I used to be a fan. Having caught him give false or exaggerated information over and over and seeing how he reacts to criticism and questions, I am no longer interested.

[leafsfan9917]

lol, I find most Alex Jones fans absolutely insufferable... and they always claim "alex won that argument" no he didnt... he shouted and screamed a bunch of stupid slogans and made up statistics and talked fast about a bunch of unrelated stuff until the other person is just lost. if you have to scream and act like a chimpanzee than you pretty much lose arguments by default.

like that time he had a little hissy fit at Cenk Uger (now obviously I dont necessarily agree with Cenk on a lot of things but he is at least bearable) and in some sort of crazy rant about children being raped and sold to slavery in fema camps (really... Fema? umm... okay, they are the bad guy now... he is worse than glen beck for attacking completely harmless individuals and labeling them as monsters) anyway, in the middle of that crazy rant he goes off about the CPA, now in that context Cenk was like wtf is the CPA? now obviously if they were having a rational discussion about politics he would know what CPA is (his own wife used to work for them)

there is a massive difference between being skeptical about the government and automatically not believing anything they say... like after the news broke that Bin Laden was killed, within the hour conspiracy people were already on their stupid blogs talking about how it was all lies and he either wasnt dead yet or has been dead for a while.

In other news have you guys heard about the news with the large Hadron collider?

[Trebor]

Just had a quick look on google and CERNs website but nothing too recent came up, as in this month so far. Unless i just missed it. So what's cracking leaf.

[ShiftPlusOne]

The only thing I've heard about CERN was that they releases an open source hardware license... kind of like GNU/GPL/Creative Commons, but for hardware.

Now lets wait for them to license the hadron collider under it and release all the schematics so that I can build one in my backyard and destroy the universe. =D

(Yes, I know they are not going to open source the collider.)

[Trebor]

Just noticed Alex Jones' name, regardless of the bullshit i think he's a funny guy man. I'll see your Alex Jones and raise you a David Icke. I've heard this guy speak a couple times now and have just found out his name. Regardless of how crazy the things he's saying are i like him, and i think i'm going to keep my eye on him, see where it goes but then i think i already know. If you know the name then you know what i'm talking about, if not...well...have fun.

[ShiftPlusOne]

Yes, the lizard guy.

[Trebor]

Actually i take that back, he's more credible than i thought. The lizard thing is crazy, but he's done and said some good and credible stuff too. 

[ShiftPlusOne]

The guy who thinks the world is run by lizard shape-shifters is more credible than you thought? O_o

[Trebor]

I was editing that last message as you replied. But yes, what you said is true. That's not he's only theory and i didn't say that's what he is credible for. That's one of many of his theories and i'm not going to disregard someone because i don't agree with one theory they have. It's going to take abit more than one crazy theory, that actually if some how proved true i would feel more stupid for disregarding it than i would for believeing it in the first place. Alot of people still give christians grief because of their beliefs, do they give fuck...nope.
Too be honest though normal lizards would probably do a better job running the world than the people who are running some countries now would do.

[ShiftPlusOne]

To each his own.

[Trebor]

True, but obviously i don't think lizard shape-shifters rule the world man, give me some credit.
You know what would be interesting though, if popluar conspiracy theorists and the "elite" had a big meeting, televised and all that. I don't see why it's not possible and hasn't happened yet, unless i just missed it. Yes the "elite" might think it's pointless but in honesty if i was being suspected of the things that they have been, i would want to get rid of such suspiscion. But then again i supose even when you squash one theory another will pop up. However with the growing number of people starting to listen to it, i think it would be beneficial for both parties.

Now lets wait for them to license the hadron collider under it and release all the schematics so that I can build one in my backyard and destroy the universe. =D

How fucking big is your backyard. And you don't have to destroy the universe, the shape-shifting lizards will do that.

[ShiftPlusOne]

The two sides aren't capable of proper communication. Obviously nobody thinks they are 'evil', so the actions of both sides feel justified. Take a topic like world policy (which everyone has an opinion on) and the discussion is just emotional outbursts, name calling, appeals to nationalism and so on. You can look up videos of 911 truthers debating the non-truthers and eventually one side starts patronizing or abusing the other (both sides equally guilty of this).

The topic is just too charged and people are too emotional and self-righteous for that to be possible. It's basic psychology. The fight or flight response doesn't only apply to physical threats. The amygdala (primitive part of the brain which controls emotion) gets triggered when your beliefs are challenged as well. At that point people will either put up the ignorance shield and try to get away from the argument (flight) or get aggressive about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala_hijack
It takes a lot of practice to train your prefrontal cortex to catch that moment.


The Truthâ„¢ is always somewhere in the middle, not on either ends of the extreme. So both sides are inherently wrong and can't "prove" anything. For each legitimate argument, they discredit themselves with 10 other, basically.

Also, what you said about squashing one theory and another popping up. If you ever listen to one of these debates.... the first guy might make a point, the other guy will point out why it's invalid and then the first guy will just say "well what about...(something irrelevant to the first point here)" and they can just keep going on and on.