Re: Thinking about getting a sports bike for your first motorcycle? Read here first.

[ThedraggyZ]

Honestly im gonna be getting a bike in the next week or two and i cant get my mind off the 650r but im tempted to test out the new Honda cbr 250... i didn't really want to go toward the ninja 250 as of my personal taste but... i don't know i really need some help on making a final choice. I have herd people say the 650r is a lot nicer on a new rider than a 600 but still i don't know at all.

[redyoudead]

Honestly im gonna be getting a bike in the next week or two and i cant get my mind off the 650r but im tempted to test out the new Honda cbr 250... i didn't really want to go toward the ninja 250 as of my personal taste but... i don't know i really need some help on making a final choice. I have herd people say the 650r is a lot nicer on a new rider than a 600 but still i don't know at all.

Your first bike is not your last.  Get the CBR 250 and learn on that for a while.  Then go and upgrade when you learn the principles of riding and have fun with it.  It'll be safer and more fun for you in the long run.

[oblaen]

great post! im just looking in to getting a licence, and i had my mind set on a cbr600, im still massively tempted! but im thinking the experienced riders know a few things more than i do, so i will now probably look at some thing more along the lines of a 250-400, i just still want that sports bike riding position, as thats the sort of bike i want.

thanks for the post, a good read indeed!

[badjoke]

Ola... been reading rando forum post's for the last few hours.  Sickness of being a new rider I guess.  Just read this post for the first time ... great info. Thought I'd share my first bike reasonings...

Never got to look at the bigger 600's just cuz of costs... ended up picking up a kymco 150 cc bike as a starter...prob not much of  a freeway bike, but I was more interested in figuring out the gauntlet of traffic.  Little bit cheaper than the 250's out there, but at least I got my gear for free if you do some inventive math.  I'll figure out the highways on the next machine.

I've made some mistakes but even when for example blipping a little too much, it won't react violently to how I messed up. 

I'm not freaked out to ride it anwhere, and the bike itself has no influence on how I ride, I can take it to the limit -which ain't saying a whole lot lol- and concentrate on riding and not on being nervous with a monster under me. So I ride it almost everyday.  Cheap as hell on gas too. 

I had a experienced riders tell me to start small, really helped in my decision making. And they ride some really fast bikes.  Trying to keep up with a zx-14 if just silly with a 150, but it's still riding! 

Hope anyone looking for a first bike gets to read this post (and others on this forum)... lotsa great info. 

[Mrs. Missy]

Awesome post!  Great read and it answered every question I could have thought to ask.  GJ and keep promoting safety to no end!

[LithCS]

Bunch of bull really, get what you want, ride it like you want.
I started on a ZX6R (which is now totaled due to a car crashing into me) and got a ZX636R now.
I got my knee down with proper form after 2 hours of owning it. Been riding for little over a year now (excluding riding lessons).

I haven't started on a 125cc, 250cc, 500cc or whatever, prior to taking lessons I've never had any motorized 2 wheeler.

It's the state of mind you need, not experience and/or skill.
If you allow yourself to grow, take some risk, and ride with others/watch others, you'll improve lots. Monkey does as monkeys do.

Perhaps I'm one of the odd-ones out.

ps. Before anyone starts shit like OH BUT YOU GOT YOUR BIKE TOTALED!
No I didn't, a car pulling out in to me, without indicators, mirrorcheck and a phone in his hand totaled it.

[RayMan]

Bunch of bull really, get what you want, ride it like you want.
I started on a ZX6R (which is now totaled due to a car crashing into me) and got a ZX636R now.
I got my knee down with proper form after 2 hours of owning it. Been riding for little over a year now (excluding riding lessons).

I haven't started on a 125cc, 250cc, 500cc or whatever, prior to taking lessons I've never had any motorized 2 wheeler.

It's the state of mind you need, not experience and/or skill.
If you allow yourself to grow, take some risk, and ride with others/watch others, you'll improve lots. Monkey does as monkeys do.

Perhaps I'm one of the odd-ones out.

ps. Before anyone starts shit like OH BUT YOU GOT YOUR BIKE TOTALED!
No I didn't, a car pulling out in to me, without indicators, mirrorcheck and a phone in his hand totaled it.

I'm sorry, but it isn't a state of mind, it is most definitely skill and experience. Sure it can be done, but that doesn't mean it is the best route. The fact is, smaller bikes are more forgiving to beginner mistakes and thus make better bikes to start your riding career out on.

I think the people who scream "omg 600cc bikes = newbie mega-death" are ridiculous, but none the less a supersport simply does not make a very welcoming bike for a new rider.

Having mental maturity will help, but it won't stop you from making some type of error due to lack of experience. And when you make that error, it will be less dangerous on a 250 or a 500 than a 600cc race bike (read LESS dangerious, there is no way to eliminate the danger).

[LithCS]

I'm sorry, but it isn't a state of mind, it is most definitely skill and experience. Sure it can be done, but that doesn't mean it is the best route. The fact is, smaller bikes are more forgiving to beginner mistakes and thus make better bikes to start your riding career out on.

I think the people who scream "omg 600cc bikes = newbie mega-death" are ridiculous, but none the less a supersport simply does not make a very welcoming bike for a new rider.

Having mental maturity will help, but it won't stop you from making some type of error due to lack of experience. And when you make that error, it will be less dangerous on a 250 or a 500 than a 600cc race bike (read LESS dangerious, there is no way to eliminate the danger).

Well, what I always say, and will continue saying.
If you're a unsafe douchebag rider on your bicycle/50cc scooter/5cc minibike/1300cc hayabusa/car.
You'll be a unsafe douchebag rider on whatever you step on.
It is not the speed or torque that will get you whipped on a litrebike or a 600, it's (in case of my peers); 1. wanting to show off, and failing completely. 2. Fear.

The main factor in riding, and excuse me if you don't agree, is your mindset, and I will keep arguing this.
Sure, you can start out on a 250, get a feel for riding, and perhaps drop it a couple of times since it doesn't cost quite as much. But whether this makes you a better rider, that's debatable (Yes, I know a lot of MotoGP riders started on 250cc, but don't forget that's how the system works, to ride MotoGP you NEED to have participated in the other classes to move up, or it will be extremely difficult. Using this as an argument is therefore void.)

What I see a lot when I ride with others, is that fear prohibits people more from exploiting their bikes potential, as well as putting up a barricade to their own potential. Braking all of a sudden in midcorner due to fear of overshooting, etc, and yes, this is where experience comes in. And perhaps riding a 250 can help in lowering this blockade, having people become more comfortable with the feel of the bike.
But you can do exactly the same on a supersport if you have the right attitude. Respect the power, but be open for learning, and sometimes go a bit nuts.

That said, I also don't think you can compare a 250 to a supersport, be it a 600 or litrebike.
Even if you've ridden a 250 for lets say 10years, you'll still get a shock when you step on a 600, and will need to learn all over again. (if that makes sense)

Coming back on my previously mentioned "speed doesn't kill", there's more deadly scooter accidents in my area than motorcycle accidents, which all happen at about 30km/h~
It all comes down to how you go down, you can get lucky at 300kph, or be shit out of luck and wrap yourself around a tree at 10kph.

[RayMan]

I partially agree with what you are saying, and yes if you are a douche rider you can get your self killed on a 250 pretty easily as well.Hell, if you don't respect the power of a small bike you can get yourself in trouble quick. But the fact still remains that a less powerful machine is more forgiving to rider errors than a supersport. Hell don't even start on a 250, start on a 650 if ya want, but start on one of the twins that don't make quite the power of a super-sport.

Having a mature frame of mind will certainly help if you want to start out on a gixxer, but accidentally grabbing a handful of throttle or grabbing too much front break is going to hurt less on a smaller bike, period.

I'm not saying you can't start out with a super-sport, because you can and be a great rider. Plenty of people do it that way, but it still isn't the best route to take.

If you move up, of course you are going to have to learn the newer more powerful bike, but you will have already developed a strong core set of essential skills on a bike that was more forgiving to the mistakes you made learning those skills. 

Super-sports respond much more sharply to rider input than less aggressive motorcycles, so it really does make sense to learn how to control those rider inputs on a less aggressive motorcycle.

[lorenzoaguilar28]

what is the best sports bike now a days?

[jaypays]

My first bike was a GSXR, but it was restricted to 33bhp. It was a chance for me to get used to the feel of a bigger bike without the unforgiving power. I drove one that was unrestricted and the power was brutal! Riding a smaller bike (or a restricted bike) allowed me to learn in relative safety before stepping up. If I had made some of the typical noob mistakes whilst riding an unrestricted version then the consequences would have been a lot worse!

I'm 100% behind starting small and working your way up. If you want a bigger bike for looks or sound, then you could always have it restricted until you're confident enough to move up.

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