new bike, no money

[Scram_UK]

i don't understand something why u by old bikes.....i buy too a new bike npw but...i will never by a very old bike like that u guys show him....

Personally I like the old style of bikes... I ride a CBR600F3, it can hold its own on the track rather well and is carberated - to which i get a better milage than a new, injected bike that struggles to hit 30mpg.  It's really comfortable, as it has a big seat where i can park my arse . But it can also handle the twisties really well as well. I was able to out perform and beat a brand new Triumph Daytona.

When it comes to bikes, the evolution of motorcycle design is relatively slow... There haven't been any real development overhauls in the past 20 years of sportsbikes. Just improving on existing technology.

My bike was well looked after before I bought it. It had hardly been thrashed and i had a full service history. And it was cheap. As for age offering less horse power, mine was made in 1997, and the engine produces 100bhp - which is alot for a 600cc.  However honda did make a very good engine for their older CBR's. I've been told that on multiple occasions.

In many ways buying second hand is your best bet.

yeah but will brak all the time....i'm not for a old bike...and u can put some crashpad;) help u .....and u can take a bike with  not so much power...if u want 2 learn take one with 400 cmc or with 250 idk ...but i'm not for old one ...just say that....I did not want to offend you
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Older bikes break all the time? Well my CBR600F3 has lasted 18,000 miles and still going strong.... And apparently these things can be good all the way up to 100,000 miles! When well looked after, of course. The bike in this video has the same engine as my older F3... Only real difference is the digital readout and fuel injection.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/RwiOyq2Q9-I&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/RwiOyq2Q9-I&rel=1</a>

Oh and heres another CBR600F hitting 100k miles (watch in HQ)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/6c8vEE2dW1o&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/6c8vEE2dW1o&rel=1</a>

[Anca]

 but that depends on the country as people mainly takes care of it .. not all .. some of them are just not care and especially to such roads in my country are not so good so there are many factors that depends .....if u take care of ur bike that is great and wioll work years..but not all the ppl do that ..and u don;t have to know all the time ......al respect for u

[herrbua]

ok, this turned into a old vs. new bike thread xD which is quiet alright by me the more u guys discuss the more I learn.

Just to keep you posted about my status: I went to several dealerships today, found a bunch of bikes; all new but not that expensive. The BEST news I received were the following: I found a used Ninja 250r (2009 if the guys at the dealership are right) and I just have to get in touch with the person who's selling it. It seems this guy wants to buy the ZXR-600 special Monster Edition. Pretty damn cool bike and pretty damn good for me too since he wants to sell his Ninja 250 and it has only 2000km on it and is VERY well kept (according to the guys at the dealership). Anyways, I called today but couldn't reach the guy, but I'll try again tomorrow. I believe the price will be $3500 which is NOT cheap for a used bike (at least from what I've been reading here) but is a HELL of a lot better than $5480, which is the price of a new one (due to taxes and shipping costs).

While I'm on this topic, I also found a new Yamaha: the R15. What do you guys think of this bike? I love the Ninja, but that R15 is not really that bad. It'd cost me about the same as the used Ninja but new of course. Has anyone heard anything about this bike?

Btw, commenting on the old vs new topic: (first of all, thnx for all the comments) I think that to start up it's best to get a good used one. Most cases at least. Because of the reasons everybody has been telling me: most ppl drop their bikes and it's best to NOT spend that much on ur first bike. However in my case I hope it'll be different as I expect not to drop the bike (I HOPE ). Further along the road I would most definitely buy a new bike, once I've gotten the hang of it. For example: I want to ride my 250 for about 5-6 years (maybe less if I learn quick). After that I'd like to start looking at 600cc bikes and, depending on the country I'm in, move later on (couple of years) to a 1000cc or stay with the 600cc. Then again, that's a newbie's point of view

[Scram_UK]

but that depends on the country as people mainly takes care of it .. not all .. some of them are just not care and especially to such roads in my country are not so good so there are many factors that depends .....if u take care of ur bike that is great and wioll work years..but not all the ppl do that ..and u don;t have to know all the time ......al respect for u

I generally do inspections and test ride them myself before parting with my cash. I appreciate that in some countries & areas it will be harder to snatch up a good second hand deal than others. You really just need to know what and where to look.

[macminter]

Well, i think the R15 is exclusively for India's market, though if you can get it, it doesn't seem that bad. I just wish here in the states manufacturers would realize that we might want bikes smaller too (WR125X, R125, CBR250, ect) But, no... Anyway, back to you. $3500 for 2k-km's on a 2009, isn't too bad. I mean, for a used 250 yeah, but if this thing looks pristine, and whatnot, then it might seem reasonable. Though, just throwing it out there, if you can find an older 250, you can get that around $1k, and have 2500 left for gear, expenses, performance goodies, on and on.. Keep it in mind, but don't stop there.

[herrbua]

I found a R15 here... sat on it and it's not that bad... (now you know the market around here... it's a bit similar to India's market I guess, we don't see a lot of big bikes around these places)

Turns out the used Ninja is a 2008 and he wants $4200.00 He still has to deal with my brother, who is a VERY good and lowering sellers prices so we'll see how that goes... I was looking for an older Ninja or even an older bike. But after finding that Ninja with a lower price then everything went out the window. The only one that just touches its feet is the R15, but when i sat on it I didn't really like the feeling. And I'm gonna spend a LOT of time on it so I wanna feel really good.

I wanted to get a credit in a bank, can't. I want to sell a car for the bike, it's tough and I've got one buyer who's gonna pay me bit by bit (I believe the word is installment, but I'm not sure... :S xD) so I can't get all the money. Now I'm looking for someone to lend me the money and I'll pay that person in about 36 months (most likely less) but it has to be someone close to me or someone who I trust and trusts me back. Idk... I think I'm going crazy with this whole thing.

As to NOT waste time, I've been reading up on gear. It's gonna be another pain in the ass paying for that, but at least, in case of something terrible happening it won't be a bad injury or anything. I'm not stupid enough to buy the bike and 2 months after die in an accident because I was too cheap to buy better gear. It's gonna take a while for me to save up the money tho... again... 

[Jarl]

Hiya.

given what you've outlined about your country, I'd advise getting something with a lot of torque- torque will pull you out of tricky situations a lot better than lots of power will. I'd advise against a 2 stroke and also against a high revving 250 because of this- how about a gs500? Bulletproof, decently fast if you need them to be and good beginner bikes. Old ones are quite cheap. An old bike will not break as soon as you look at it, so don't worry about that. I'd say get a bike with a minimum of 250cc, how about a VFR400? They're really nice . Depending on the condition of your roads, you might be better off with a dirt bike, suzuki DR350's are very good and quite cheap, or the slightly more modern suzuki DRZ400 might suit you better.

I'd seriously advise against credit to buy a motorbike, if something goes wrong (i.e, the bike gets written off) then you're looking at a lot of debt for nothing. If you then can't repay the debt for whatever reason, you'll feel like a right idiot when you go bankrupt. Motorbikes are great, but they aren't worth wrecking your life for. Just in case you missed that, DONT GET CREDIT TO BUY A MOTORBIKE.

[macminter]

I'd still look for some dual sport or enduro bikes, as those have low revving torquey motors. The Suzuki DR's and DRZ's are great bikes, especially if your on the road, but need a bit more flexibility than a high-revving sport bike. I can assure you, you can find a used dirt/dual/enduro near you for under $2000 in decent condition. It's no need to go bankrupt, or even have payments for one. I personally got off the ground with bike, gear, insurance, registration and everything needed for about $1750USD. That was for everything, only thing I had previously was a MX helmet. Otherwise, I've bought everything that I needed to keep safe and be legal for definitely under $2000.

[[Tippy]]

just because it's not new doesn't mean it'll break all the time.

I dont know how it works in other countries, but in the UK, if you buy a motorbike / car brand new, you dont need to get it MOT'd / serviced  (not sure which one) for like 3 years. So alot of people get rid of there bikes at the end of he 3 years which means you can pick it up cheapish, and if i's been looked after you can guartntee there is almost nothing wrong with it.

[herrbua]

given what you've outlined about your country, I'd advise getting something with a lot of torque- torque will pull you out of tricky situations a lot better than lots of power will. I'd advise against a 2 stroke and also against a high revving 250 because of this- how about a gs500? Bulletproof, decently fast if you need them to be and good beginner bikes. Old ones are quite cheap. An old bike will not break as soon as you look at it, so don't worry about that. I'd say get a bike with a minimum of 250cc, how about a VFR400? They're really nice . Depending on the condition of your roads, you might be better off with a dirt bike, suzuki DR350's are very good and quite cheap, or the slightly more modern suzuki DRZ400 might suit you better.

The roads ain't that bad and I'm not really into dirt bikes. At least not right now. As for the torque; yes, true. It can help me get out of tricky situations, but those bikes you mentioned (correct me if I'm wrong, plz) sound like quite a big bigger than a 250 and this specific 250 is not that bad on low revs. It's actually been modified for working better at low/med ranges. Now I don't wanna get a new one. I'd rather buy a used one and thank God I found one. It's not that easy to find a nice used bike around here, or at least I don't have the contacts to find one.

I'd seriously advise against credit to buy a motorbike, if something goes wrong (i.e, the bike gets written off) then you're looking at a lot of debt for nothing. If you then can't repay the debt for whatever reason, you'll feel like a right idiot when you go bankrupt. Motorbikes are great, but they aren't worth wrecking your life for. Just in case you missed that, DONT GET CREDIT TO BUY A MOTORBIKE.

I don't really have an option. It's either getting a credit or NOT buying the bike. Or simply buying something I don't really want. Now that I've found that used one I'm thinking about some solutions which might work right for me. I'll let you know about it

I'd still look for some dual sport or enduro bikes, as those have low revving torquey motors. The Suzuki DR's and DRZ's are great bikes, especially if your on the road, but need a bit more flexibility than a high-revving sport bike. I can assure you, you can find a used dirt/dual/enduro near you for under $2000 in decent condition. It's no need to go bankrupt, or even have payments for one. I personally got off the ground with bike, gear, insurance, registration and everything needed for about $1750USD. That was for everything, only thing I had previously was a MX helmet. Otherwise, I've bought everything that I needed to keep safe and be legal for definitely under $2000.

I've been lookin' online for a bike, but can't seem to be able to find one. Yes, I'd like to find a bike for under $2000USD and I'd love it, but where are you? I mean, in which country? I mention this because it's a lil more complicated around here. Idk why but the only cheap bikes are the really ugly ones. Btw guys, I might have given you a very bad impression about my country cuz it kinda seems like you guys think we only have dirt rodes :S That's not really the case; we do have roads and all and asphalt and shit xD I can get around easily with a Ninja 250r. It's not like I'm chased by crazy taxi drivers or maybe truck drivers who have a thing for crushing bikers under their tires xD We are a civilized country after all xD

Trust me, if I could find a sweet deal for under $2000USD I'd take it. I'm no stupid guy who's fixated on a bike. Well, I actually AM fixated on a bike and I know it's prolly not my most brilliant idea, but I just want this bike too much.

I dont know how it works in other countries, but in the UK, if you buy a motorbike / car brand new, you dont need to get it MOT'd / serviced  (not sure which one) for like 3 years. So alot of people get rid of there bikes at the end of he 3 years which means you can pick it up cheapish, and if i's been looked after you can guartntee there is almost nothing wrong with it.

Yeah I haven't heard that around these parts :S

Now, good news I just got: I've got this friend whose brother's the president of a motorcycle club here in Guate. And I'm gonna go talk to him to see if he can teach me how to drive on a rented bike or if he's got something I can use or if he knows someone who can help me. I believe he's actually giving lessons and I'd pay them gladly. This are VERY good news for me.
Now I'd just like to take the time to thank everybody for still reading this thread and actually chipping in You've all been of great help and still are so plz keep on posting. Of course I'll keep you all updated on this and I promise to take a video of the bike and then one of me riding it once I've got it

[macminter]

Hey, I was looking for 4 months before I found my bike, completely by chance. But, that's great about the lesson, I would totally take them up on that offer.

[Jarl]

It's either getting a credit or NOT buying the bike.

I wouldn't buy the bike then.

And relative to other similar 250's yours might be pretty good in the low revs. Relative to a bike that is actually good at low revs, it'll be pretty shocking lol. Remember, engine displacement means nothing- it's all about power and torque. The average 600cc sport bike will make over 100bhp, my 650 makes 55. The 250 makes 33hp (IIRC). The suzuki DR650 makes 34hp at the rear wheel. That's 400cc difference for pretty much no change in power- the difference is in torque. The DR650 pulls like a train, the ninja 250 just doesn't.

[macminter]

It's either getting a credit or NOT buying the bike.

I wouldn't buy the bike then.

And relative to other similar 250's yours might be pretty good in the low revs. Relative to a bike that is actually good at low revs, it'll be pretty shocking lol. Remember, engine displacement means nothing- it's all about power and torque. The average 600cc sport bike will make over 100bhp, my 650 makes 55. The 250 makes 33hp (IIRC). The suzuki DR650 makes 34hp at the rear wheel. That's 400cc difference for pretty much no change in power- the difference is in torque. The DR650 pulls like a train, the ninja 250 just doesn't.

What he said. The DR could pull itself, rider and a ninja with rider better than the Ninja alone. (Not actually, but that thing will haul-ass). I've ridden both, and there is no competition, unless you're doing 80+mph highway riding everywhere the DR far surpasses the Ninja in just about every way. Maybe not looks, but looks aren't everything.